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title:“Notes on Debates by John Lansing”
authors:John Lansing, Jr.
date written:1787-6-11

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Lansing, John, Jr. "Notes on Debates by John Lansing." Supplement to Max Farrand's The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787. Ed. James H. Hutson. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1987. 69-70. Print.

Notes on Debates by John Lansing (June 11, 1787)

4th Resolve e considered.
Mr. Sherman—moved that Right of Suffrage be determined by Number of free Inhabitants in each State.—This Motion not seconded.1 Each State ought to have one Vote—Individual States to be considered as representing House of Lords.
2
Governor Rutlege moves that Representation be apportioned to Contribution.
King—moves that Representation be not apportioned by the Rule mentioned in the Confederationbut that some other equitable Mode be adopted.
3
Franklin—It does not follow that because States in Union are unequally represented that therefore the greater Representation will oppress the lesser. Instances Great Britain.
On Question on Mr. King's Motion—Affirmative 7 States. Negative—New York, New Jersey and D[elaware]—Maryland divided.
Mr. Rutlege's Motion then considered—
Dickenson—Quota of Contribution would throw too great a Share of Power in State that pays most—which Power may be directed to exempt itself from Contribution. Taxes, Contributions and Impost collected in the State ought to be Criterion.
Butler—Individual States ought to retain distinguished Marks of Sovereignty—Let them levy Tax.
4
Wilson—There are some great national Objects to be attained by Government so constituted as this is supposed—Post Office an important one. Moves that Representation of the first Branch be in Proportion to the free Inhabitants and 3/5 of all others.
5
Gerry—If Negroes represented why not Horses and Cows—Slaves not to be taken in under any Idea of Representation.
Question on Wilson's. 10 States Affirmative, one Negative.
Sherman moves that in the second Branch of Legislature each State have one Vote.
5 Ayes-6 Noes.
Ayes—New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Deleware, and Maryland.
That second Branch be apportioned as the first.
On Question 6 Ayes—5 Noes.
11th Resolve that a Republican Governement and etc.
Mr. Reed moved that Government be obliterated and the Constitution and Laws of each State be inserted.
Mr. Madison moved that those Words be inserted after Government.
Agreed to Mr. Madison's M[otion].
Agreed to strike out Words scored.
13th Resolve agreed to.
14th Resolve—
Randolph—There is no Constitution that does not contravene Confederation—Judicial Officers sworn to observe Constitution—6Wherever National and State Views are opposed those of State will be prefered.

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