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title:“Notes on Debates by John Lansing”
authors:John Lansing, Jr.
date written:1787-6-12

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Lansing, John, Jr. "Notes on Debates by John Lansing." Supplement to Max Farrand's The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787. Ed. James H. Hutson. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1987. 71-72. Print.

Notes on Debates by John Lansing (June 12, 1787)

TUESDAY, JUNE 12, 1787 JOHN LANSING: NOTES ON DEBATES i5th Resolve- Question-5 Ayes, 3 Noes, and two divided. Connecticut, New York, and New Jersey No. 4th Resolve was then considered. The Words for the term of Sherman moves that Members of the first Branch be elected every Year. Rutlege—Triennial Election perhaps best, but moves that the Words two Years be inserted in Blank. janifer—moves three Years. Madison—Instability of popular Government his Reason for wishing three Years. Distance of Extremities of Union renders it necessary. The Lessons the Representatives have to learn another Reason. Gerry—If you fix this at three Years how long must Senate be elected for. Madison—Public Opinion fluctuating—it has no Standard—is changing Rapidly. Local Attachments and temporary Opinions ought to be laid aside. Question on three Years. Aff. 7 Ayes-4 Noes. Agreed to strike out Clause limiting Age-1o Ayes-1 No. Motion to insert fixed after liberal. Affirmative 8—Negative 3. Franklin—Moved to strike out liberal—carried. Pierce—moved to add to be paid out of national Treasury. Affirmative 6—Negative 5. Question on Paragraph to Word Service. 8 Ayes-3 Noes. Gerry moved after Service and to insert under the national Government. Carried unanimously. In Blank after Space of agreed to insert one Year. C. Pinkney Moved to strike out to be incapable and etc. to the End of Paragraph. Struck out unanimously. Age of Members of second Branch fixed at thirty. 7' 72 SUPPLEMENT TO FARRAND'S RECORDS 7 Years moved by Governor Randolph Duration of Office of second Branch. Mr. Pierce against it—it will give too much alarm. Sherman for 5 Years. Question on 7 Years. 8 Ayes-1 No and 2 divided. N. B. New York divided, Judge Yates being in Negative and / affirmative. Rutlege moved seconded by Butler that the Clause resp[ectin]g Pay of second Branch be struck out. 3 Ayes-7 Noes—r divided. Connecticut, Deleware, and South Carolina Aye, Massachusetts divided. Question on whole Clause, ro Ayes-1 No. 9th Resolve resp[ectin]g Judiciary considered. Piracies and Felonies on the High Seas struck out—so Captures from Enemy. C. C. Pinkney moved to insert after Foreigners to insert or Citizens of two distinct States of the Union. Postponed. Adjourned till to Morrow.

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