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title:“Notes on Debates by John Lansing”
authors:John Lansing, Jr.
date written:1787-6-23

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Lansing, John, Jr. "Notes on Debates by John Lansing." Supplement to Max Farrand's The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787. Ed. James H. Hutson. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1987. 109-10. Print.

Notes on Debates by John Lansing (June 23, 1787)

3rd Resolve—to be paid out of the public Treasury Question—five Ayes—five Noes—1 divided. "to be ineligible to any Office established by a particular State or under the Authority of the United States." C. C. Pinkney moves to strike out by a particular State or. Wilson—If you strike out these Words you confirm Attachments to particular States and give that Attachment a Direction injurious to a general Government. Sherman—If State and general Governments have separate Interests their Jealousies will be mutual and they already operate very powerfully— hence you must leave the Individual States much Power. Gorham—It is necessary to give general Government Energy—prevailing Opinions are too democratic. Question—Ay 8—No 3. Madison moves after established insert or Emoluments whereof shall have been augmented by the Legislature of the United States during the Time they have been Members or within one Year thereafter—He wishes Executive to have App[ointmen]t of Officers—He thinks it necessary to hold out Inducements to Men of first Fortune to become Members.1 Butler—Executive may be as corrupt as Legislature—It would place too pervading an Influence in him. Rutlege—We ought not to wish to have place Hunters in Legislature— No Incentives ought to be held out to Men of that Description—Honesty will probably predominate in lower House Ability in the upper. Mason—He has experienced in Virginia that whenever a Man of the first Character who was not a Member of the Legislature was opposed to a despicable one who was a Member—the latter uniformly succeeded. If the Restriction is continud a Seat in the Legislature will lead the Way to first Offices—this sufficient Inducement—he is against Amendment. Madison—Men of Ability are not found [?] in Virginia to step forward in Public. Persons of other Descriptions press for Admission. King—Venality may be as successfully applied in the Appointment of Relations of Members as Members themselves. Wilson—Selfish Characters will endeavor to place Men of a generous Turn of thinking and Men of Abilities in a Situation not to be appointed—Executive ought to have app[ointmen]t. Question 2 Ayes 8 Noes—Maryland divided, Jersey and Connecticut ay. Sherman moves after ineligible to insert and incapable of holding. Unanimously agreed. The Question was then put on the Words for the Space of one Year after its Expiration. 4 Ayes—6 Noes—1 divided. Adjourned till Monday.

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