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title:“NY Ratification Convention Debates and Proceedings”
authors:Anonymous
date written:1788-7-22

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"NY Ratification Convention Debates and Proceedings." The Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution. Vol. 22. Ed. John P. Kaminski. Madison: Wisconsin Historical Society Press, 2008. 2264-74. Print.
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New York Ratification Convention Journal, 63-66

NY Ratification Convention Debates and Proceedings (July 22, 1788)

CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That on the 22d day of July, another of the proposed amendments was again read, in the words following, viz.
"That the Congress appoint, in such manner as they may think proper, a Council to advise the President in the appointment of officers: That the said Council shall not continue in office for a longer term than four years: That they shall keep a record of their proceedings, and sign the same, and be impeachable for malconduct in office: That the Counsellors shall have a reasonable allowance for their services, fixed by standing laws: And that no man shall be elected a Counsellor, who shall not have attained the age of thirty-five years, and who is not either a natural born citizen of the United States, or has become a citizen of one of them before the fourth day of July, in the year one thousand seven hundred and seventy-six."
That debates were had on the proposed amendment last read. . . . .
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That the question having been put, whether the Committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Hamilton the yeas and nays being taken) it passed in the negative in the manner following, viz.
For the Negative. [46]
Mr. Jay, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Platt, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Havens, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Akins, Mr. Hobart, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. President, Mr. P. Livingston, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. Hatfield, Mr. Frey, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Clark, Mr. Van Cortlandt, Mr. Winn, Mr. Duane, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. Crane, Mr. Veeder, Mr. Harison, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Sarlls, Mr. Staring, Mr. Low, Mr. Jones, Mr. Haring, Mr. Parker, Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. Williams, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. Carman, Mr. Wood, Mr. Bay, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Lefferts For the Affirmative. [10]
Mr. Lansing, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Harper, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Baker, Mr. Adgate, Mr. Schenck, Mr. G. Livingston,
. . . .
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That another of the proposed amendments was again read, in the words following, viz.
"That the Congress shall not declare war without the concurrence of two-thirds of the Senators and Representatives present in each House." . . . .
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That debates were had on the said pro— posed amendment: and that the question having been put, whether the Committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. R. Livingston the yeas and nays being taken) it was carried in the affirmative in the manner following, viz.
For the Affirmative. [32]
Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Clark, Mr. Wood, Mr. Winn, Mr. Lansing, Mr. J. Clinton,Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Veeder, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Akins, Mr. Staring, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Schenck, Mr. G. Livingston,Mr. Parker, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Baker, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Carman, Mr. Harper, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. President, Mr. Haring, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Bay, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. Frey, Mr. Adgate.
For the Negative. [25]
Mr. Jay, Mr. Harison, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Crane, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Low, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Sarls, Mr. Hobart, Mr. Havens, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. Platt, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. P. Livingston,Mr. M. Smith, Mr. R. Livingston,Mr. Jones, Mr. Hatfield, Mr. Williams, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. Van Cortlandt,Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Duane, . . . .
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That another of the said amendments was again read, in the words following, viz.
"That the right of the Congress to exercise exclusive legislation over such district, not exceeding ten miles square, as may by cession of a particular State and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, shall not be so exercised as to exempt the inhabitants of such district from paying the like taxes, imposts, duties and excises as shall be imposed on the other inhabitants of the State in which such district may be; and that no person shall be privileged within the said district from arrest, for crimes committed or debts contracted out of the said district."
That the last mentioned amendment having been read, Mr. Hamilton moved that the same should be obliterated, and the following inserted in its stead, viz.
"That when the number of persons in the district of territory to be laid out for the seat of the government of the United States shall, according to the rule for the apportionment of representatives and direct taxes, amount to such district shall cease to be parcel of the State granting the same, and provision shall be made by Congress, for their having a distinct representation in that body."
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That debates were had on the clause proposed by the motion of Mr. Hamilton, to be substituted; and that the question having been put, whether the committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Lansing the yeas and nays being taken) it passed in the negative in the manner following, viz.
For the Negative. [39]
Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. Platt, Mr. Veeder, Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Clark, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Staring, Mr. Lansing, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Parker, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Akins, Mr. Williams, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Schenck, Mr. G. Livingston, Mr. Baker, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Havens, Mr. Carman, Mr. Harper, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Haring, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Bay, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. Frey, Mr. Adgate, Mr. President, Mr. Wood, Mr. Winn For the Affirmative. [18]
Mr. Jay, Mr. Duane, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Hatfield, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Harison, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Van Cortlandt, Mr. Hobart, Mr. Low, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. Crane, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Jones, Mr. P. Livingston, Mr. Sarlls, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Lefferts That the question having been then put on the said amendment as first proposed, it was carried in the affirmative.
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That another of the proposed amendments was again read, in the words following, viz.
"That the Congress shall not constitute, ordain, or establish any Tribunals or Inferior Courts with any other than appellate jurisdiction, except such as may be necessary for the trial of causes of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, and for the trial of piracies and felonies com— mitted on the high seas; and in all other cases to which the judicial power of the United States extends, and in which the Supreme Court of the United States has not original jurisdiction, the causes shall be heard, tried and determined in some one of the State Courts, with the right of appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States, or other proper Tribunal to be established for that purpose by the Congress, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make."
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That debates were had on the clause last read, and that the question having been put, whether the Committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Lansing the yeas and nays being taken) it was carried in the affirmative, in the manner fol— lowing, viz.
For the Affirmative. [37]
Mr. Hobart, Mr. Clark, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Veeder, Mr. R. Livingston,Mr. J. Clinton,Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Staring, Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Akins, Mr. Parker, Mr. Lansing, Mr. Jones, Mr. G. Livingston, Mr. Williams, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. Schenck, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Baker, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. Harper, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Carman, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Haring, Mr. Frey, Mr. Bay, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Wood, Mr. Winn, Mr. Adgate.
Mr. Schoonmaker, For the Negative. [16]
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Mr. Jay, Mr. Duane, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Hatfield, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Harison, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Van Cortlandt Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Low, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. Crane, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. P. Livingston, Mr. Sarlls.

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