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title:“Robert R. Livingston's Notes of the New York Ratification Convention Debates”
authors:Robert R. Livingston
date written:1788-7-17

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Livingston, Robert R.. "Robert R. Livingston's Notes of the New York Ratification Convention Debates." The Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution. Vol. 22. Ed. John P. Kaminski. Madison: Wisconsin Historical Society Press, 2008. 2198. Print.
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Robert R. Livingston, Notes, New-York Historical Society

Robert R. Livingston's Notes of the New York Ratification Convention Debates (July 17, 1788)

Mo. for adjournment continued Preamble withdrawn HAMILTON. Goes largely into expedience of propositions—
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LANSING. Estimating all disadvantages must determine on propositions
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WILLIAMS. Agt. adjournment hoped for middle line if none can not vote for or agt. Consequences of disunion dreadful Hopes still some middle line Vote agt. proposition from Dutches Qustn. adjn negatived 40 to 22
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CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. Com: of the whole— Mo. for postponing amt. from Dutches to take up ours—
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CLINTON. Our amt. comprized in our 1st Mo. therefore irregular—
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HAMILTON. Mo. to postpone regular GEORGE CLINTON. willing to take the questn. either way—
CLINTON. Many things in ours that he likes
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CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. Questn to pos[t]pone negatived 40 to 20—
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SMITH. weight in our objns. tho not conclusive— doubtful whether they will— Objs. com: to get such ratification as congress might accept & still procure convention— Congress have no power to call convention— presuming proposition wd. bring them into union—2 Objs secure proper amends.
Our objs. rest on suspention of powers —which Congress cannot exist that power Same objs can be accomplished independant this—shd. take that ground— Brings forward mo. to ratify for a time—mo. to postpone one to take up other—
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CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. committee rose & reported Adjourned—

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