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title:“NY Ratification Convention Debates and Proceedings”
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date written:1788-7-21

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"NY Ratification Convention Debates and Proceedings." The Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution. Vol. 22. Ed. John P. Kaminski. Madison: Wisconsin Historical Society Press, 2008. 2255-61. Print.
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New York Ratification Convention Journal, 58-63

NY Ratification Convention Debates and Proceedings (July 21, 1788)

CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That on the 21st day of July, one of the proposed amendments, was again read, in the words following, viz. "That the Congress do not impose any excise on any article (except ardent spirits) of the growth, production or manufacture of the United States, or any of them."
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CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That debates were had on the said proposed amendment, and that the question being put, whether the committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Hamilton the yeas and nays being taken) it was carried in the affirmative in the manner following, viz.
For the Affirmative. [38]
Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. Platt, Mr. Veeder, Mr. Lansing, Mr. Clark, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Staring, Mr. Vrooman, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Parker, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Akins, Mr. Williams, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Jones, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Baker, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Schenck, Mr. Harper, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Havens, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Carman, Mr. Frey, Mr. Bay, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. Winn, Mr. Adgate, Mr. President, Mr. Wood For the Negative. [16]
Mr. Jay, Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Low, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. P. Livingston Mr. Hobart, Mr. Duane, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Crane, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Harison, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Sarlls
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CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That the next following clause of the proposed amendments being again read, is in the words following, viz.
"That Congress will not lay direct taxes but when the monies arising from the Impost and Excise shall be insufficient for the public exigencies, nor then, until Congress shall first have made a requisition upon the States to assess, levy and pay their respective proportions of such requisition, agreeably to the census fixed in the said Constitution, in such way and manner as the Legislatures of the respective States shall judge best; and in such case if any State shall neglect or refuse to pay its proportion pursuant to such requisition, then Congress may assess and levy such State's proportion, together with interest at the rate of six per centum per annum, from the time of payment prescribed in such requisition."
That debates were had on the clause last read, and that the question being put, whether the Committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Hamilton the yeas and nays being taken) it was carried in the affirmative, in the manner following, viz.
For the Affirmative. [38]
Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. Platt, Mr. Veeder, Mr. Lansing, Mr. Clark, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Staring, Mr. Vrooman, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Parker, Mr. I. Thom [p] son, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Akins, Mr. Williams, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Jones, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Baker, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Schenck, Mr. Harper, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Havens, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Carman, Mr. Frey, Mr. Bay, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. Winn, Mr. Adgate, Mr. President, Mr. Wood For the Negative. [16]
Mr. Jay, Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Low, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. P. Livingston Mr. Hobart, Mr. Duane, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Crane, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Harison, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Sarlls
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CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That another of the proposed amendments was again read, in the words following, viz.
"That no standing army or regular troops shall be raised or4 kept up in time of peace without the consent of two-thirds of the Senators and Representatives present in each House."
That Mr. Hamilton moved that the clause last read should be expunged, and the following substituted in its stead, viz.
"That no appropriation of money in time of peace for the support of an army, shall be by less than two-thirds of the Representatives and Senators present."
That debates were had on the clause last read, and proposed to be substituted. That the question having been put, whether the committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Hamilton the yeas and nays being taken) it passed in the negative in the manner following, viz.
For the Negative. [38]
Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Clark, Mr. Platt, Mr. Veeder, Mr. Lansing, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Staring, Mr. Vrooman, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Parker, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. Jones, Mr. Akins, Mr. Williams, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Schenck, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Baker, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. Harper, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Havens, Mr. Carman, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. Frey, Mr. Bay, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. Winn, Mr. Adgate, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. Wood For the Affirmative. [14]
Mr. Jay, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. P. Livingston, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Duane, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Crane, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Harison, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. Sarlls, Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Low, That Mr. Jay then made a motion, that the words raised or in the amendment originally proposed, should be obliterated.
. . . .
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That the question being put, whether the Committee did agree to obliterate the words aforesaid, (and on motion of Mr. Bay the yeas and nays being taken) it passed in the negative in the manner following, viz.
For the Negative. [29]
Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Parker, Mr. Lansing, Mr. Clark, Mr. Harper, Mr. Williams, Mr. Vrooman, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Baker, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Frey, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Wood, Mr. Winn, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. Scudder, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Veeder, Mr. Bay, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Staring, Mr. Adgate, Mr. Tredwell For the Affirmative. [23]
Mr. Jay, Mr. Duane, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. P. Livingston Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Harison, Mr. Carman, Mr. Crane, Mr. Hobart, Mr. Low, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. Sarlls, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Havens, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Jones, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Platt, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Schenck, Mr. Ryerss That the question being then put, whether the Committee did agree to the said amendment, it was carried in the affirmative
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CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That another of the proposed amendments was again read, in the words following, viz.
"That no person be eligible as a Senator for more than six years in any term of twelve years: And that the Legislatures of the respective States may recal their Senators, or either of them, and elect others in their stead, to serve the remainder of the time for which the Senators so recalled, were appointed."
That the question having been put, whether the Committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Hamilton the yeas and nays being taken) it was carried in the affirmative in the manner following, viz.
For the Affirmative. [36]
Mr. R. Yates, Mr. President, Mr. Platt, Mr. Veeder, Mr. Lansing, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Staring, Mr. Vrooman, Mr. Clark, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Parker, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. Akins, Mr. Williams, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Baker, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Schenck, Mr. Harper, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Havens, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Carman, Mr. Frey, Mr. Bay, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Wood, Mr. Winn, Mr. Adgate.
For the Negative. [18]
Mr. Jay, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. P. Livingston Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Duane, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Crane, Mr. Hobart, Mr. Harison, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Sarlls, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Low, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Jones,
. . . .
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That another of the proposed amendments was again read, in the words following, viz.
"That no Senator or Representative shall during the time for which he was elected, be appointed to any office under the authority of the United States."
That debates were had on the said proposed amendment.
That the question having been put, whether the Committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Hamilton the yeas and nays being taken) it was carried in the affirmative in the manner following, Viz.
For the Affirmative. [35]
Mr. R. Yates, Mr. President, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Staring, Mr. Lansing, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Parker, Mr. Vrooman, Mr. Clark, Mr. Akins, Mr. Williams, Mr. I. Thom[p]son, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Baker, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Harper, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Carman, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. Havens, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. Frey, Mr. Bay, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Wood, Mr. Winn, Mr. Adgate, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Platt, Mr. Veeder For the Negative. [19]
Mr. Jay, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Schenck, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Duane, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. P. Livingston Mr. Hobart, Mr. Harison, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. Crane, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Low, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Sarlls, Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Jones, Mr. Bancker,
. . . .
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. That another of the proposed amendments was again read, in the words following, viz.
"That no money be borrowed on the credit of the United States without the assent of two-thirds of the Senators and Representatives present in each House."
That debates were had on the clause last read.
That the question having been put, whether the Committee did agree to the same, (and on motion of Mr. Hamilton the yeas and nays being taken) it was carried in the affirmative in the manner following, viz.
For the Affirmative. [38]
Mr. R. Yates, Mr. Schoonmaker, Mr. Platt, Mr. Veeder, Mr. Lansing, Mr. Clark, Mr. M. Smith, Mr. Staring, Mr. Vrooman, Mr. J. Clinton, Mr. Swartwout, Mr. Parker, Mr. I. Thompson, Mr. Wynkoop, Mr. Akins, Mr. Williams, Mr. Ten Eyck, Mr. Jones, Mr. D'Witt, Mr. Baker, Mr. Scudder, Mr. Schenck, Mr. Harper, Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Havens, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. C. Yates, Mr. Van Ness, Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Carman, Mr. Frey, Mr. Bay, Mr. Tredwell, Mr. Woodhull, Mr. Winn, Mr. Adgate, Mr. President, Mr. Wood For the Negative. [16]
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Mr. Jay, Mr. R. Livingston, Mr. Low, Mr. Ryerss, Mr. R. Morris, Mr. Roosevelt, Mr. Lefferts, Mr. P. Livingston, Mr. Hobart, Mr. Duane, Mr. Vandervoort, Mr. Crane, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Harison, Mr. Bancker, Mr. Sarlls.

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