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title:“Gilbert Livingston's Notes of the New York Ratification Convention Debates”
authors:Gilbert Livingston
date written:1788-7-23

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Livingston, Gilbert. "Gilbert Livingston's Notes of the New York Ratification Convention Debates." The Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution. Vol. 22. Ed. John P. Kaminski. Madison: Wisconsin Historical Society Press, 2008. 2277-81. Print.
Gilbert Livingston, Notes, New York Public Library

Gilbert Livingston's Notes of the New York Ratification Convention Debates (July 23, 1788)

CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. met—in Comee the informal Comee. reported—the Comee. went into the report of the Amends by paragraphs.— An Introduction to an adoption was read—and agreed to.
JOHN LANSING, JR. introduces Smiths first plan—as a basis to proceed on Smiths—2d. plan being withdrawn—
ALEXANDER HAMILTON. thinks we ought to proceed on the report & if any Gent. wishes to introduce an amendt he has a right to do it JOHN LANSING, JR. we have been on the proposition—of Smith MELANCTON SMITH. does not suppose this introduction was intended to exclude any thing that might be proposed JAMES DUANE. thinks we ought to proceed on the report ROBERT YATES. was one of the informal comee. after going thro' the amends. drafted a plan of Ratification not with an intention to alter the Mode of proceedings before the committee GEORGE CLINTON. inquire [s] what was the business of the Informal committee the adoption or form of it, was not committed to them therefore must not be bound by it JOHN LANSING, JR. Movd. to take up Smiths 1st Motn as the Basis RICHARD MORRIS. if the report must be recd. & entered on the Minutes the whole must be gone thro SAMUEL JONES. the report of an informal committee never comes on the minutes CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. questn. wheather the sd. 1st. Motion of Smith be taken up agreed CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. Smith, Movd. an amendt. to the introduction question put for the motion—40, against it—19
CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. a debate wheather the conditions in the first Plan be seperated from the questn.
ROBERT YATES. wishes to have the questn. on the condition first taken SAMUEL JONES. Moves to have the words "that the people of the state are bound by it"
WILLIAM HARPER. there may be persons who now would vote for this questn. hereafter may vote against the constitution unless under such restrictions as he chuses CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. Jones Moves that upon Condition be struck out & in full confidence inserted MELANCTON SMITH. gave Reasons why he will vote for the amendment GEORGE CLINTON. does not rise to give a sentiment on this questn because gent. will may connect his character as Govr. & representative?
WILLIAM HARPER. dont understand the reasoning some say congress can accept us if they will if it depends on their will & they will not would not chuse to submit to their will JOHN JAY. rises to explain—is convinced that congress cannot MELANCTON SMITH. Justifies what he said ZEPHANIAH PLATT. it has become fashionable for Gent to give reasons for his actions has made up his Mind & shall pursue what he thinks will ultimately tend to the happiness of the people in this case shall vote for amendment CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS. On the question for the amendment for it—31, against it—29— Adjourned—till tomorrow

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